depression causes isolation?

Something I learned today is that people are attracted to self assured, confident people; not depressed dark (artsy) people, which is interesting since the dark folks really need that hug. I guess this should be a motivation 4 me to be more self confident to gain more friends?
What happened to be yourself? Ah well.

Another question is does depression cause isolation or isloation cause depression? Both I think is the answer. Does being with people fight depression? For some it does and generally yes, so I try to be with others everyday. What do you think?

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13 thoughts on “depression causes isolation?

  1. I think to be with friends is the coolest thing to do,since not everything that we can talk to parents or bros and sis 🙂
    So take some free time to hang out with them 🙂

  2. Maybe it would be useful _to ponder about how much of a good friend are we to ourselves ?!How much compassion and kindness do we offer to that frightened being that resides somewhere in the depth of our being ?!

  3. God is (among others )_ peace.And prayer_ at some point,becomes meditation…The same that may be said about churches and religious doctrines (any of them,eventually)_applies in the case of meditation,too (as technique ):I’m not sure that such or such church /religion/meditation _will bring me in the presence of God_and in a personal relation with Him _but I’m sure that He_ will get me in the right church and in the right (virtual or energetic) space(level) of meditation.
    This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t keep an opened mind to anything that might appeal or seem useful to you.
    But,remember_we have to do that AFTER (not before ) we ask God to come into our lives (and,by this_entrusting our person to Him )…
    You know _it’s kind of funny how we,humans _use to say “I trust in God “_but we ,in fact_too often _haven’t entrusted anything ,really, to Him…Doesn’t this seem like we are offering Him the role of a kibitzer ?
    (to my surprise _I’ve found that there is such a word, even in your language;it comes from Yiddish.I was sure that it was a Romanian word and_without much hope _I was trying to translate it with the help of my precious Lingoes)

  4. Do you know what PASSIONS are?

    Full Psychological Recovery must mean – to heal BODY (the mind) and SOUL both –
    (In search of the role of the soul in psychiatry)

    According to Church knowledge (Greek Orthodox Church), full psychological recovery can only take place by utilizing 2 schools on knowledge that know how to deal with 2 different illnesses. Psychiatry deals by pharmaceutical means the treatment of the body (mind) and the Church through Her Holy Sacraments the treatment (cure) of the ill begotten soul (sin) that is the main cause for the disturbance of the chemical balance (psychological illness) of the brain.

    1. The illness of the body (mind).
    The first illness which is known as a psychiatric illness, in essence is an illness of the body (mind). This type illness that comes as a result of chemical alterations of the brain can only be cured by the science (medicine) of psychiatry.
    Πατερικο : (προς μετάφραση)
    Με την καρδιά συνάπτεται ο νους και η διάνοια μας. Κατά την πατερική αντίληψη έδρα του νου είναι η καρδιά, και ο νους δεν είναι μόνο η λογική ενέργεια, αλλά και η βουλητική και συναισθηματική με έδρα πάντα την καρδιά.
    Ο νους ενεργεί προς τα έξω, διαχέεται και διασκορπίζεται. Στη φυσική του δε κατάσταση θα βρίσκεται μόνο με την επιστροφή του στο κέντρο του, στην καρδιά του, οπότε μεταπηδά από το παρά φύσιν, στο οποίο τώρα βρίσκεται, στο κατά φύσιν του.
    Όταν ο νους επιστρέψει πίσω στην καρδιά και ενωθεί μαζί της, τότε και η καρδιά γίνεται το κατάλληλο όργανο για ολοκληρωμένη υπαρξιακή γνώση, γνώση ολοτελή και παμμερή. Γι’ αυτό και δεν είναι γνώση ξερή, διανοητική, ξένη ως προς το γινωσκόμενο, αλλά γνώση αγαπητική. Γιατί μόνον η αγάπη αποτελεί την αποκλειστική γνωστική δύναμη, την ενοποιό και συνδέουσα γνωστικό υποκείμενο και γινωσκόμενο αντι(ή υπο-)κείμενο. Και αυτό σημαίνει μεταφορά του όλου ανθρώπου μέσα στο φως της θεϊκής γνώσεως εν Πνεύματι Αγίω.
    2. Illness of the soul.
    The second illness is the illness of the soul that it is known to as sin. According to the Holy Fathers of the Greek Orthodox Church sin “lives” in the center of the heart of a person that is known to be the center of mans psychosomatic self. According to the Holy Fathers the heart is the center of the soul (our psychosomatic self), and it reflects the condition of the eternal self, the one that leaves the body at the moment of death. This is how Lord Jesus describes the illness of the heart through the mouth of Matthew 15-19.
    – FOR OUT OF THE HEART PROCEED EVIL THOUGHTS MURDERS ADULTERIES FORNICATIONS THEFTS FALSE WITNESS BLASPHEMIES-
    Furthermore Vainglory, selfishness, jealousy, hatred, murder, lustfulness, gastritis, stinginess, are all PASSIONS that FORCE man (the mind) in a un natural act that is known as SIN.
    What is a Passion
    According to Saint John (6th century) who is the author of “The ladder of virtues”, a passion is a mischievous thought or reflection that burrows into the soul after a last longing exposure that brings about a familiar attraction that seems to become a natural part of ones self that causes the soul to “run to it” (to the passion) willingly and not by force. The soul (the ill begotten soul) is then is committed to the bodily act of sin willingly.
    These un natural acts that are given birth to by the various “passions” come in conflict by mans divine begotten conscience that was given to him in the beginning of his creation Gen 2:7 “Then the Lord God took some soil from the ground and formed a man out of it: he breathed life- giving breath into his nostrils and the man begun to live”
    From the above verse we can see how mans conscience( that is found in the soul) was formed by the Christ like virtues of the soul, passed on to Adam by the divine breath of life, that made him begin to live.
    The “clash” between SIN and CONSCIENCE causes a protracted psychological strain that will sooner or later cause a chemical unbalance of the body (brain) known as a psychiatric illness. The medicine in psychiatry today cures the chemical distortion in the brain but can not cure the passions that have caused the illness that can only be cured by the Church as founded by the Apostles the day of Pentecost 2000 years ago. In other words Psychiatry treats the symptoms not the illnss.The whole sacrifice of our Lord Jesus was to bring into our world the Church that would enable man to heal his soul to become a new creation “the New Adam” otherwise known as “Saint” by enabling him to accept within (the heart/soul) the Holy Spirit. (Matthew 5:8) “Happy are the pure in heart; they will see God!”
    Thus Lord Jesus did not teach philosophically but therapeutically since the purpose of His incarnation was to bring the Church through which man could be cured from the sins that were responsible for “spiritual death” which in essence meant his eternal Separation from God.
    Divine Grace
    The Holy Fathers teach that Divine Grace is one of the streams that spring from the Holy Spirit, it is the coefficient factor of mans theosis (union with God), is Energy that cures the fallen image of man, is Energy that brings purity from sins and passions, is Energy of Divine enlightenment, is an Energy that can only be realized through the participation in the life of the Church.
    Luke 17:21 “No one will say, “Look here it is! Or There it is;” because the kingdom of God is with in you.”
    This is why the Holy Fathers have been describing the Church as a Hospital for 2000 years now, they have been describing her as an “Divine Inheritance” that can lead all of us to a Divine destination (heavenly kingdom). The presence of thousands of Saints in the life of the Church is the proof of Her authenticity.

    ORTHODOX-PSYCHOTHERAPY

    http://www.greekorthodoxchurch.org/orthodox_psychotherapy.html
    Lord Jesus did not come to teach philosophically but THERAPEUTICALLY.

    Your friend and servant Constantinos

  5. This is excellent I have read it many times, you speak of original sin and how current medications don’t heal the entire person….
    Church also provides people with a social support system/network which is very important to good mental health.

  6. Kibitzer _a meddler who offers unwanted advices to others(Lingoes/Princeton Univ.)

    _a non-participant who hangs around the game offering (often unwanted)
    advice or commentary;this Yiddish term is used in Chess,Go and many other
    games(lingoes/Wikipedia)

    _a spectator who is not one of the participants at the table he is watching;
    referees and authorised tournament representatives do not count as
    kibitzers (Lingoes/Weddslist)

    _ a spectator at any game who has a habit of looking at active players’ cards
    and dispenses unwanted comments and/or advice(Lingoes/cardshark.us)

    _an audience member at a Chess tournament(Lingoes/jaqueslondon.com)

    _a person who offers unsolicited views,advice or criticism;one who kibitzes
    (Lingoes/wiktionary.org)

  7. Thank you_so much !
    But I’ve added those definitions _not as I would complain about anything but, in order to make my previous post understandable by your new guests.
    As a matter of fact _I had written them from the first time_when you asked_but
    somehow I’ve managed to push a wrong button_and the text,of course,have disappeared; as it seemed too difficult for lazy-me, at that moment, to copy them again from Lingoes(much appreciated tool _for me) _I’ve said to myself that you’ll find out by yourself what “kibitzer” means_eventually…
    In conclusion_lack of modesty as might appear_I didn’t perceive myself as being a kibitzer_till now,when you have suggested that…
    But even so_I feel consoled by the idea that ,as a kibitzer _I would be in the best company possible _as ,in my post, it was God who gets this “highly valued ” role from
    humans.

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